Commons:Categories for discussion/2024/06/Category:Undated works
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(also Category:Unknown date) How do we determine what is the difference between "undated" and "unknown date" in the context of these categories. The note warns users not to confuse the two but offers no guidance on what the distinction is or what belongs in each. Josh (talk) 05:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Unknown date seems to be for files with {{Other date}}. I left a note for Verdy_p, its creator. Maybe the category name for these should be Category:Files with unknown date. Enhancing999 (talk) 23:42, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- "undated works" has some ambiguity to it: is it not dated by its creator or whoever has dating "authority"? Is it not dated precisely? Currently the category includes Category:Moses Younglove Tilden, undated which, according to the description at Category:Samuel J. Tilden Collection dates from 1785 - 1929. Enhancing999 (talk) 08:07, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- If you want another categorization, this template must be unfrozen, I cannot edit it (it is blocked as is since 4 years in June 2020).
- The category "Unknown date" exists since even longer time, the category "Undated works" was created and left mostly unused since 2020 (a few days before my last edit of {{Other date}}). So I made no error in 2020 (the "Unknown date" has been used many years before 2020, even if this tracking category had no description page at that time; my last edit in {{Other date}} in 2020 in was to add other tracking for bad years, bad eras, and several other parameters that were all checked; Note that {{Other date}} is generic and not necessarly used for tracking files with missing dates, but any usage of dates for localized formatting, including for example within Infoboxes or talk pages; note that the termplate takes a "nocat" parameter, allowing file description templates to use another categorization; may be we should have a parameter to specify which category to use in {{Other date}} when there's such "bad dates", so that we could use "Category:Undated works" instead for file descriptions ?). verdy_p (talk) 04:19, 20 June 2024 (UTC)